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Around santos. a complaint has been filed against him with the federal election commission. federal prosecutors are looking into his finances. law enforcement in brazil say they intend to reinstate charges connected to a stolen checkbook back in '08. he has called them distractions, but we've got a lot of distractions here, erin. >> thank you very much, omar. harry enten is were me now. harry, look, scandal and some of this, whether it's just pathological lying, some of it is criminal if it happened, pure out criminal. house speaker kevin mccarthy, though, still refuses to call on santos to re...

>> does the dsm recognize pathological liars? >> no, it doesn't. it's really just seen as a behavior. it's not recognized as a disorder. it can be seen within some brain disorders, and that comes from excessive drinking. aside from that kind of pathology, it can also be seen within certain personality types, psychopathy, people who are sociopaths can also have one aspect of that pathological lying. in those cases, again there is the intent to deceive, to harm someone, whereas this, the lies are so extensive and so convoluted and pretty much about nothing real or nothing important that the inte...

Them, they're pointless, versus usuallying at some level, with the purpose of gaining something or saving someone for hurt or harm. >> is it a matter of, when is the mendoza line? how many little lies versus big lies can you tell per day before you become a pathological liar? >> right. so, yes, there is deception research out there that defines all of this. normal lying versus prolific lying and the number of lies that you tell. pathological lying is really on a whole different scale because, in general, the quality of the lies that they're telling, they get very extensive, they have no purpos...

>> quick final answer if you can do it in 30 seconds. is it treatable, pathological lying? >> it is, but with a lot of psychotherapy. people have to understand. they need empathy training to see how their lies affect other people and they also need help even recognizing when they are telling a lie. so you have got to switch it to what did you lie about to what didn't you lie about today. and one other thing that i want to say that's really important, i think, is that people involved in pathological lying don't stop just because they are called out on. it continues until they get help. >> wow. ...

Desantis is going to perform like on the national stage. we have no idea what any of these people are going to perform like as presidential candidates. here's the one thing that's the most known quantity in american politics is donald trump. we know everything we need to know about donald trump and miz political strengths and weaknesses. i'm not talking about the personality, the threat to democracy, the pathological lying. we know where trump can perform and can't perform. what he can and can't do, what his ceiling and floor are as a presidential candidate, and joe, this is the thing. there's...