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You can't control the other variables. you wish and hope that you could, but in the end you can't. >> governor, the straw poll in iowa obviously was a turning point for you. you dropped out of the race the day following. it doesn't have anything significant in terms of delegate selection, it is symbolic, but it's extremely expensive. you spent a lot of money there. a lot of effort there. and then if you didn't win, you said, you know, you didn't see a pathway forward. is the iowa straw poll becoming too much of a challenge? and maybe becoming irrelevant? or do you still see it has a place in t...

Variables. you wish and hope that you could, but in the end you can't. >> governor, the straw poll in iowa obviously was a turning point for you. you dropped out of the race the day following. it doesn't have anything significant in terms of delegate selection, it is symbolic, but it's extremely expensive. you spent a lot of money there. a lot of effort there. and then if you didn't win, you said, you know, you didn't see a pathway forward. is the iowa straw poll becoming too much of a challenge? and maybe becoming irrelevant? or do you still see it has a place in the future of the pup can pro...

Value to the debate. you can't control the other variables. you wish and hope that you could, but in the end you can't. >> governor, the straw poll in iowa obviously was a turning point for you. you dropped out of the race the day following. it doesn't have anything significant in terms of delegate selection, it is symbolic, but it's extremely expensive. you spent a lot of money there. a lot of effort there. and then if you didn't win, you said, you know, you didn't see a pathway forward. is the iowa straw poll becoming too much of a challenge? and maybe becoming irrelevant? or do you still se...

Of "the take." msnbc karen finny. and pete c. visiting from indiana a former spokesman for president bush and communications director for the indiana republican party. welcome, all of you. dan, i'm going to start with you because you write about this september to remember issue. some of us think it's the august that drived the september to remember for president obama. you interviewed david plouffe who clearly felt the need he had to get out there with some sort of answer for the understand the very perilous situation we're in, but we think we have a pathway forward, but we don't have much mar...

Term radical mentioned in relation to this plan today. so how controversial is this all going to get on the hill? >> for democrats it's going to be quite controversial, but you have heard a lot of criticism of republicans over the last few months, they don't stand for anything, they're the party of no, they have no solutions. despite what you may think of this doum and dcument and despi fact it radically alters medicare and medicaid, this does have a pathway forward in terms of significant debt reduction just from looking at the numbers of what they've put into it. that is why it's elicited th...