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ultimately as mr. emblig said, there is a perception issue and the ethics commission, i believe should take every action that it possibly can to avoid the perception of impropriety and to avoid the appearance of conflict. so that is why i raised the issue and i think that the director making the presentation would alleviate that concern, because the director is not counsel for the commission or the board. >> i am a little confused as to why the board can't have other counsel. >> i have no objection to the board retaining other counsel. >> i didn't realize that your engagement at the ...

transcript of all of the questions of all of the issues that have come up more than you. and yes, you casted the dissenting vote. i am not sure what the hearing will be like before the board of supervisors, but i don't know, but i would think that those of us who can be in attendance, should there be questions. i don't have any lack of ability in your confidence. you may not want to is a whole other issue. you may not want to. [ laughter ] >> no comment. do the parties have any objection if it were to be me? >> thank you, commissioners for considering the issue. i completely agree ...

given my neutral position. but i'm open to whatever the commission would like. >> mr. wagner? >> i think mr. hemblig said it well in pointing out that it raises a perception issue. the question is -- >> so are you advocating then that rather than mr. emblig, who will give a neutral, as he put it "dry presentation," you would want someone from the majority to go there and make the presentation? is that what you are suggesting? >> no. >> who do you think should do it? >> well, we objected to any one from the commission. >> well, if we're going to send someone, mr. wagner, so if you obj...

ultimately as mr. emblig said, there is a perception issue and the ethics commission, i believe should take every action that it possibly can to avoid the perception of impropriety and to avoid the appearance of conflict. so that is why i raised the issue and i think that the director making the presentation would alleviate that concern, because the director is not counsel for the commission or the board. >> i am a little confused as to why the board can't have other counsel. >> i have no objection to the board retaining other counsel. >> i didn't realize that your engagement at the ...

perjury and this language minimizes all of that. >> mr. wagner, with all due respect, we didn't ignore it and, in fact we talked about at t at some length and is dueded that under and/or too collateral to address and it's in the record. the board can look at it. i frankly think this language accurately reflects what we decided. again, if you have specific words that you think are inaccurate, you can point them out. but i certainly don't think this should come out. this is simply a reflection of what we decided. we're not making any judgment calls as to in this paragraph as to whether...