Exploit others and take advantage of others, typically without any guilt or shame or remorse. and that sense, yeah, we look at it as a psychologist as part of a mental disorder. but the type of people who have this mental disorder tend to be in prison. >> or congress i guess. >> christian heart, thank you very much for explaining all of that, back with us now margaret hoover, -- jessica washington and patrick mcenroe. one of the fascinating's about george santos, as christian just said, you don't come across somebody that often who looks in your face and lies directly to you over and over when...