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Do you think she knew just how much she wanted him? >> well yes. i can tell you, look, there were a lot of republicans -- and the bigger story is this goes back to 2009, you had mitch mcconnell and john cornyn running the republican senate campaign committee and they were trying to play party boss. as they should. and they said you know what, we want charlie kris to be our candidate in florida, trey grayson to be our candidate in kentucky. and you know, they were trying to pick winners and losers. this what is they're supposed to do. they're head of the party. we know what happened. marco rubi...

As well as they could. remember, paul ryan has not hurt this ticket. paul ryan is of today, republicans look at him, i think a lot of young families across the country, democrat or republican, can see something he and his family and something they have in common. he's not a scary republican. he may have views you may disagree with. i don't think people are frightened by him. i don't think the polling shows anyone is frightened by him. they may disagree with him. he doesn't bring palin -- i've heard these comparison to sarah palin. it's an insult to paul. paul iss a smart, aggressive, u to date...

Incredible conversation and they shied away and hid from it. >> the amazing and comical thing about the akin fiasco it immediately kind of undressed paul ryan. here he was, out there, the clean-cut, cooler, more, you know, of today running partner of mitt romney and romney i think really went to ryan because frankly, he had been seen as such a wimp after the whole disastrous european tour that i think that he really felt the right wing of his party said you need an attack dog, someone with edge, that's not going to stand there and you have to have someone more aggressive. he gets paul ryan. ev...