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You find that people -- how worried are they about political acquisitions, and in particular, what are hay worried about? >> they are very, very worried about political division and, in fact, the most stunning piece of data in our surveys that we've done with georgetown university is that people think we're on the verge of civil war. people also think hat lack of respect is the real threat to our democracy and that division and polarization are a real threat to our democracy. now, underneath that there are some differences of opinion, but the overall level of concern is extremely high, and peo...

Something that is simply an income transfer that doesn't have any economic improvement whatsoever. so i, from what i'm hearing, republicans are not keen on kind of a trade. paul: and it's also a huge disparity in just the cost of it, right? >> that's right. expanding the child tax credit as democrats would like is at least between $1.3-1.6 of trillion over the next 10 years, and so far we're talking about trying to solve the debt limit here. this would be a budget buster in every way. paul: all right. scott hodge, thanks so much for coming in. when we come back, president biden's dirty deal ...

So it really isn't about oil. i think that the biden administration is looking for some way to break the impasse of the venezuelan dictatorship and u.s. policy, trying to return venezuela to democracy. and this is an, a desperate attempt to do that. i think it's something that will fail. paul: all right. kim, they're getting, the maduro regime is getting $3 billion in frozen assets unfrozen that are supposed to go into a kind of u.n. fund that would go to humanitarian purposes in venezuela. but it's still likely to redound to the benefit of maduro, i would think. >> oh, absolutely it will. it ...

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Dangerous trend. paul: okay. so started at $500 per child. >> yeah. paul: now it went all the way up to $3600 during the pandemic. this is the way, of course, government usually works, start something small and grow. you don't even really have to have income to get this credit. you don't have to have a lot of income anyway, and you don't really have to work. >> well, yeah. this is what's called a refundable tax credit, so a portion of this, let's say you've worked through your tax return and turns out you don't owe any income taxes, but you still have availability of, say, $1,000 of this $2,00...