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Michigan is going to come into play, pennsylvania. there's a lot of catholics in those states. i wonder how this is going to play out if this continues and he doesn't back away from his budget. he is trying to defend massive cuts to the poor, which is totally against catholic church teaching. is this going to be a campaign issue? >> well, tleb catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, there will always b...

The last election. michigan is going to come into play, pennsylvania. there's a lot of catholics in those states. i wonder how this is going to play out if this continues and he doesn't back away from his budget. he is trying to defend massive cuts to the poor, which is totally against catholic church teaching. is this going to be a campaign issue? >> well, the catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, t...

The president has to deal with. >> and the other piece is that some passionately disagree with the approach. they don't think that stimulus works. i think you'd put paul rye and some of the others in that category. they don't want to see more spending and they think it's the wrong approach. >> and they say it's what he tried before and it drnt work at least not sufficiently. clearly people in that kafrl. but the schal think for the president is even to pick any republicans off, it is the closer we get to the election, the more his poll numbers go down, the less interest they have in trying to ...