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Indiana çagain, they lost it i the last election. michigan is going to come into play, pennsylvania. there's a lot of catholics in those states. i wonder how this is going to play out if this continues and he doesn't back away from his budget. he is trying to defend massive cuts to the poor, which is totally against catholic church teaching. is this going to be a campaign issue? >> well, tleb catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you...

Michigan is going to come into play, pennsylvania. there's a lot of catholics in those states. i wonder how this is going to play out if this continues and he doesn't back away from his budget. he is trying to defend massive cuts to the poor, which is totally against catholic church teaching. is this going to be a campaign issue? >> well, tleb catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, there will always b...