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For a network. it is here today tonight and it says a lot about the sad state of affairs in america. >> dana, how do you see it? >> yeah, luckily, it's above both of our pay grades, brooke to make these decisions. >> to be a fact checker -- let me just say, dan, i mean, especially if they use new misleading statistics. we're already familiar with this 4,000 number but when you throw other misleading statistics in there, i can only speak for myself in that i can't instantly -- you can't instantly bang fact check something. it just takes longer. people think it's like vh 1 pop-up video and its i...

Working with hacker groups. >> so the rogue employee maybe wanted the u.s. government to believe that north korea was to blame? >> remember that the original demands that were made of sony had nothing to do with this movie "the interview." they all related to things like pay grades and the bias between how much women were paid and other things. there was only after a couple communications that they even mentioned north korea at all and made it try to look like it was north korea. so these investigations are really difficult to do. they involve lots of different kinds of information. all i can ...

>> well, it has come at the cost of revealing security secrets of the united states to some heem who are not our allies like folks in the government of china and folks in the government of put putin. >> is there a way to know whether it has jeopardized the safety of individuals, a group or even this country by doing this, revealing these classified data? >> frankly, fred, i think that's above all of our pay grades. we don't even know if what they're telling us is true, we don't know how many millions of reals of paper he stole. he took a lot of it. we don't know what's in them, how many are in...

Big day, so thanks for joining us, paula. >> thanks for having me. >> and conservatives did attack the president for not having more women in senior pay grades. these are the same people saying that it wasn't necessary. but we have josh, from the new york times. he's a number cruncher c contribut contributor. and also angela is with us. now, median salaries for women in the white house were 81% of the male employees. here's what jay carney said about that. >> we have, as an institution