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>> i wouldn't even characterize his remarks tonight as nice. i mean, he used very heated rhetoric talking about the socialist takeover of the national health care system, a system that is -- right now it's not a single payer system. there is medicare and medicaid, but this is not a single payer system. you have the president, he's always tempered for a moment at the urging of some of his advisers. but this is a president who cannot resist political combat. and he's betting that incendiary messages will really rally his base to turn out this fall and perhaps save the republican congressional ma...

People in the past have tried to spit at reporters, so he did not have the optics of that happening tonight. that said, during some of the preamble, you know, there were a number of speakers before the president arrived at that airport hangar. and there were moments earlier on where the press was booed. there was also one of the speakers talked about hillary clinton and you had one of those "lock rer up" chants that trump's crowds often erupt into. so even though you didn't see those elements when trump was on stage, they still happened tonight at that rally. >> well, there you go. and robert ...

Republican senators come up with different solutions and learned from each other hand great solution. i love this idea of passing it onto states and letting state legislatures figure it out. massachusetts is not the same as texas. texas will come up with reforms. and massachusetts can have a single payer system if they want to. >> let me ask you about a key piece, it's about pre-existing conditions. that's a huge piece. and republicans say yes they will be protected but my understanding the bill will actually give states the ability to let ensurers raise prices on those with pre-existing condi...

I guess we've had this conversation before but i want to ask you again, larry. in the various forms of university health care that the world and the developed world use, only a few use a single payer system. what's the advantage of it? >> that's right. most countries -- in fact every other industrialized country that university coverage means everyone has health coverage. few use a pew single payer system like senator sanders is proposing. look if designing something from scratch, and wanted to guarantee coverage to everyone using something like medicare to cover everyone makes a lot of sense....

One is what should the market look like ideally? what is the best way, the most efficient way to get everybody in america covered with health insurance? and that's really the goal. universal health care for all, but i think short term we have to have a stable market or not just the people signing up with obamacare subsidies but folks who are mom and pop shops, farm families, others who may not qualify for subsidies are actually meeting some place to buy health insurance short term. >> so you're not just -- a lot of people know you as the former secretary of health and human services but you we...