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That john lewis could better help his country if he would work with president-elect trump rather than saying things against him. shep? >> there's a trickle of information about the healthcare plan that donald trump says he's working on. >> you'll remember at the press conference last week at trump tower, he said it should happen simultaneously, the repeal and replacement of obamacare. now we heard that the plan is almost cooked. what donald trump is waiting for is for his hhs secretary, dr. tom price, to be confirmed and then they'll release the plan. donald trump tipped his hand, as you sugge...

I will point out secretary clinton has started talking about the public option as an alternative, frankly, what she needs to move to. there's no question that the obamacare -- the rising premiums are going to hurt people but i think that for donald trump to make the argument and republicans to make the argument they're the solution, they want to throw all the people covered by obamacare off obamacare so they won't have coverage and would not preserve the pre-existing condition -- >> trump claims he would preserve it but how much do you wish -- he hasn't shown how. how much do you wish this hap...

Didn't -- because we didn't go to a single payer system -- wait, let me just make this point. because we didn't go to a government system, we are depending on the private sector that does have variable costs. >> that's right. so christine, you heard what hilary was saying. what if obamacare was repealed? like what would happen to insurance rates then? the insurance companies -- inguess it would revert back to the way it was so the health care costs would continue to go up? >> insurance rates and health care costs were going up before obamacare. and you will hear from the white house that they ...

Not only are the rates going up by numbers nobody believed, but the deductibles are going up. unless you get hit by a truck, you will never be able to use it. it's a disastrous planned and has to be repeal and replaced. >> let me follow-up, your husband called obamacare the craziest thing in the world and coverage is cut in half. was he mistaken or telling the truth. >> he clarified what he meant. we are in a situation where if we were to start all over again, we might come up with a different system. we have an employer-based system where the vast majority of people get their health care. the...

Your campaign lacks enthusiasm. >> you're repeating the echo of the narrative. look, if you went to the event, you would have found there was a lot of enthusiasm. there is a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a proven conservative with a record. he isn't. i cut taxes. he's proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history. i have been consistently pro-life. he until recently was for partial-birth abortion. i've never met a person that actually thought that was a good idea. i think we need to reform our health care system to stop the suppression of wages and allow people to ha...