Supportive of these actions. because while the war will be over, hopefully, putin will lose his war. and then we'll have to rebuild. and trying to see the picture. they'll have to rebuild. and we don't want to have this burden. we want to build a better russia, a diplomatic russia, a peaceful one. there is this burden that will be on our shoulders for generations. so it won't happen if he doesn't resist now. >> i'm just wondering, how does this end? how can this end? >> well, i hope, first of all that many russians will turn out for the rallies that we are just announcing these days, and that ...