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was listening to the great interesting conversation with kelly about it being difficult to prove -- but this stench think, you know, you remember there used to be a day when that kind of stuff just lead to shame in and of itself. and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i, think is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful t...

and certainly kept you out of political life later. but that's not there anymore either. whether you can prove or not prove quid pro quo, that absence of revolving door that you described is compelling. >> well, the shame issue here, i think, is compelling, ali, because obviously, the republicans, particularly trump partisans, are aware that it is shameful to use government service or family connection to government service, to make private gain for yourself, and have private business game. because they use this as a way to try to attack president biden's family, for example, all the...

That there shame will, that there shame isn't operable. >> it's a strange phenomenon. as you say, i hope that thought. nice to see you, my friend. >> you too, my friend, ali. >> its primary day in georgia tomorrow. the peach steak was the canary in the coal mine, you recall, for publican attempt at election subversion. back in 2020, it was something we've never seen before. outlier that would hopefully fade when donald trump out of the white house. if anything, the opposite has happened. donald trump's attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, only failed, because a handful of peo...