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"saturday night live," it's awful hard to recover. >> i.t., can we get someone from i.t. in here? >> righty's target kathleen sebelius for healthcare.gov's poor health. >> the website was supposed to be the easy part. she has lost considerable credibility. >> absolutely, she should resign. >> this is a woman that has to be fired. >> you're fired. >> and at the end of the day, somebody has to be held responsible. and the secretary, who is in charge of this implementation, is that person. ♪ ♪ how we gonna fix it >> joining me tonight is congressman javier bess sarra of california. congressma...

Government economic policy fell to its lowest level ever. so this is rippling through our economy and the world economy. >> how, sir, do we avoid another catastrophe come february the 7th? which is now going to be the new debt ceiling date? i mean, what happens when we have to suffer again the strategy and be subjected to the strategy of republicans? >>el with, i worry that this is the strategy that the house republicans chose. that they walked away from the bargaining table in 2011. speaker boehner did it again around christmastime last year. when he went to his ill-fated plan b. i think they...

You may see stocks do a sharp 180. >> how worried are investors about the dell ceiling? is there an expectation that there will be no deal? >> el with, i mean, the way wall street sees, tweenl the shutdown and the debt ceiling issue, the debt ceilingish shup is winding up to be a bigger deal. if the debt creaming sntd raised. all of this, you can't forget. this is really having an effect on consumer confidence.

President is expected to meet with parties, to discuss the impasse over the government shutdown. however, in an interview with cnbc, the president made it clear, he's not ready to make the vile decision they have put before him. >> i am exasperated with the idea that unless i say to 20 million people, you can't have health insurance, these folks will not reopen the government. that is irresponsible. >> joining us now from the white house is nbc news' kristen welker. kristen, the president, as i have said, meets with leaders of both parties in something like 35 minutes. what sense do you have o...

Enforcement officers there. and andrew's account is that one of the suspects was tackled and taken into custody and that the other one perhaps got away. i want to go to pete williams in washington, d.c. pete, what can you tell us about what's happening here this evening? >> el with, i think there's ample reason to think what we're seeing h ining here is connecte boston marathon bombing. number one, we know that the fbi was very interested in this part of massachusetts based on the initial information they had gathered and some of the tips they had received. this is not that coincidence. there ...