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In the state of the union, you say, i'm putting you on notice, schools, if you don't do that, e you're going to see your funding drop. has there been any change? >> you're right. our first step was to make sure we were providing the aid and grant that were needed so the burden wasn't all falling on kids. we took money out of the pell gram. we said let's cut out the middle men. let's use that to expand the assistance we're providing the kids. so as a consequence the average cost has not gone up as fast as tuition has gone up. but that's not a sustainable model. we're going have to keep tuition ...

Security. that's a matter of high integrity culture, of rule making and of governance. do you get the sense that anybody is really willing to stop -- is willing to ask these veterans what they want which is to -- to engage in a high level as opposed to a low level? >> i don't know whether they are or not. they certainly aught to be, the veterans are coming back, experienced, people we can put to work for us now. and they do understand the cost of not engaging on these issues. you know, this is something that's been -- the need to do this has been apparent for 50 or 60 years. when george wrote ...