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Themselves? in that society? criminals, so-and-so is coming over with a pole. you want to take this? and dr. siegel, with you. i'm going to say the word looting as often as possible. i'm just calling what we are experiencing here. >> emily: and to hear some point, that's what were seeing. the pendulum swing back. people that are proponents of criminal justice reform with those parlor progressives that did away with any type of deterrent. that defunded the police, we are seeing the pendulum it's when other direction. that's why at the district attorney in san francisco was on the recall ballot ...

President biden is putting his spin on the wake-up call he got from voters last night. we won't know the full impact of what happened until next year's midterms and beyond. let's discuss with the presidential historian doris goodwin. she's the author of "leadership in turbulent times." i want to begin with your thoughts on last night's election results and it appears w we're seeing the political pendulum swing back. if history is a guide, should we be surprised by that? >> i think what history will tell us is that we are in such an era that we should be humbled about making huge pendulum swing...

Loved all of the international gatherings that he attended. >> you can see it in his demeanor, the smiles for mario draghi. deep rapport. the thing is it is more about tone as were. there were deep genuine differences between a president trump and european allies. there was discussion that had trump been ere-elected of u.s. pulling out of the nato. and genuine fear. and biden talking about deep appointment with withdrawal from afghanistan, relationship with france and the overarching question which is how long does america's word last on anything. whether it be a climate agreement, an iran nuc...

Something of a pendulum swing? you have obama putting the u.s. in the paris climate accords, trump takes them out, biden puts them back in, the next president may take them out again. do u.s. allies look and wonder what does america's word mean today? >> oh, i think they do. the one thing that most countries want is predictability, continuity. change is contributing to the volatility, and when you have volatility people can't plan, they can't invest, they're not sure whether or not there's going to be an economic recovery or a recession. and what they are saying, the europeans, as well as i sa...

Pendulum swing. what years are going to be customer in 2022. [laughter] if that goes the wrong way for democrats, i think you are going to see a bill clinton revival of welfare to work, tough on crime. all these things figuring out that it doesn't work so we got to go the other way. >> jesse: a bill clinton revival threats. [laughter] interesting on a number of levels. geraldo, we mentioned this in chicago, new york states, there's been studies -- >> geraldo: about cash bail >> jesse: -- they reoffend or do not show up to trial. to be to let me make the token progressive argument against cash ...