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Garrett grath, author of "the war on global terror." thank you for joining us. i appreciate you waiting. that went a little bit longer than i thought. you doing okay? >> yeah, of course. yeah. >> you have written a book on mueller and you're out with a new piece on wired.com about the investigation. you point out that the special counsel's investigation is really a five-pronged investigation and here's how you break it down. you said, one pre-existing business deals and money laundering, two, russian information operations. three, active cyber intrusions. four, russian campaign contacts. five,...

Investigation. you point out that the special counsel's investigation is really a five-pronged investigation and here's how you break it down. you said, one pre-existing business deals and money laundering, two, russian information operations. three, active cyber intrusions. four, russian campaign contacts. five, obstruction of justice. walk us through all of those angles, please. >> yeah, so, you know, we sort of talk about the mueller probe as if it is one entity. but it's really at least five different probes in one. sort of different buckets of charges, different potential targets. some pe...

Get this. if you hear them talking about the economy or you hear -- if you hear them talking about giving people opportunities, they still believe that if you go to college or if you do this, it sounds like they are saying, you can -- >> sounds like bill clinton. >> yeah. this is the america you can have. there's this american dream. when you talk to people who have four degrees or master's programs and they can't find jobs or they're living in the basement of their parents' house, those are people who voted for bernie sanders or are solid trump supporters. those people overlap in the life exp...

House, those are people who voted for bernie sanders or are people who are solid trump supporters. those people overlap in their life experiences. >> let me take a quick pause here. 45 seconds with our end game segment, including something that hasn't happened since harry truman's first year in office. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game, brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a time. hold on...you only got double miles on stuff you bought from that airline? let me show you something better. the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles o...