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Ignor ignoring things that are largely amiss would be remiss. let me go to joan, because we're familiar talking about these things. what makes republicans talk so much? why don't they just take the fifth when discussing gender politics, gay issues, generally, the existence of gay orientation and identify, anything to do with this just seems to get them in trouble with everybody. >> not with their hard-right, older christian conservative base, chris pip mean, everybody in this country is changing, but no that element of the base. and you know, i want to say some people genuinely, authentically ...

Failure? it's a popular issue to be exploited by right-wing politicians like our governor. the fact that it doesn't work is irrelevant. the fact that it whips up the public and generates a lot of support, that's what he would define, i think, as success. he rode into office, in part, this was one of his big issues, and apparently crusading on this issue, going all the way to the u.s. supreme court, is what he's prepared to run on for re-election. >> do you think if this does become an issue in his re-election effort, if the democrat running against him takes the opposite side of this argument,...