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Where they judge favorabilities among independents. president obama, 51%, romney's now down to 23% among independents. so, that argument appears to be gone. >> and that's just t you look at sort of the key voters in the republican party are increasingly becoming, you know, lower educated, middle, lower income voters, not traditionally part of the republican coalition, but more so having big trouble with him, you look at hot swing voters will be, we always hear about ohio, always hear about pennsylvania, we are hearing about states were it is going to be the middle class the swing voters who de...

They probably believe. >> not sure it is true, by the way. >> if we see ron paul or newt gingrich coming in first and second in iowa, i think there's an argument to be had that after looking at these two characters, a lot of people, particularly end pep dents and people who are just right of center and just left of center might actually find mitt romney a lot more appealing after looking at who's one and two coming out of iowa. >> i think that will be -- i'm interested to see how iowa republicans react if ron paul whips, too that will be fascinating, 'cause they are very, very interested in ke...