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Always. i want to go to david axelrod now, the former senior advisor to president obama joining me now six days before the iowa caucuses. as you hear all this what did you take away from the political per spect of the chicken and egg argument we heard from trump's attorneys in court today that a president can't be prosecuted unless a president has been impeached and we run around that circle. >> you remember the argument made when there was an impeachment is no, we can wait and let the courts handle this. this is shifting scenario here. but, look, you know, on the substance of it, it is -- it ...

Grounds for impeachment, treason, bribery. >> that goes to what you are talking from the criminal per spect, can you point to simple things and say this is corrupt, this is a bribe, this is a high crime. jennifer, thank you so much for joining us. we continue here onset and turning to how this house vote tees up a different kind of lawyering on capitol hill. for that we welcome a former congressional senior counsel, tom rogers, who has been on both sides of high stakes hearings on washington, having served as a senior executive at tivo and nbc. he's also at the sports betting company where he'...

We've seen it in other state facilities as well. i believe it was late last year when we saw an escape of a high security inmate in france that was effective by a helicopter. it is not outside the realm of possibilities. >> help us understand how one could pull off when you're in the mcc and you're this inmate and you're barely seeing the light of day and you would be given maybe a little bit of outside time which would allow you to interact with other people and you have a lot of money back in the ether, how would you facilitate a helicopter to the facility? >> well, if i could spend two hour...

It's another legal problem for the president. and it's a fairly big one. from my per spect i have it's a good week in ethics in goth government. we haven't had a lot of those lately in government. in one of the three cases this is involving the state of maryland and the district of columbia. with help from a citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. defended against a motion from the government to dismiss the case. they initially survived one when the government claimed they lack standing. here the government was saying they the definition of incredibly narrow. the government had a...

Personal lawyer and the payments from a u.s. company linked to a russian oligarch or russian billionaire. what are the areas from your per spect -- perspective of potential illegality. >> the areas are possibly bank fraud in false statements that michael cohen made to the banks that were dealing with him and second violations of the foreign lobbying act and registration requirements which may not appear huge in themselves but in combination with other possible violations like money laundering could make him much more vulnerable. all of these payments are deep serious trouble for michael cohen ...