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She hasn't been on the ground as an educator even now when she acknowledged that she hadn't been into these underperforming schools and so she herself is in a pretty tough position there. but you would expect that she would have a lot of data at hand just because michigan in many ways has been kind of a testing ground, a lab for the school choice and what's happened there, fair or not, because we were starting, for example, in detroit with some pretty poor performing schools, but those schools are still really underperforming and she should have at least the basic amount of data at her fingert...

Now he runs an organization fighting street violence. >> what is it about the soil that makes it so ripe? on one hand a community victimized by hostile policy and on another hand you have a gang some would frame the most vicious in america. >> the soil is ripe because they transported the soil. the soil is ripe because they water it in terms of inequality, some of the worst performing schools under resourced, highest needs, high poverty rates, individuals that are clearly living in very difficult circumstances. that's where gangs are going to prevail. >> when you hear the name ms-13 in the mou...

That makes it so ripe? on one hand a community victimized by hostile policy and on another hand you have a gang some would frame the most vicious in america. >> the soil is ripe because they transported the soil. the soil is ripe because they water it in terms of inequality, some of the worst performing schools under resourced, highest needs, high poverty rates, individuals that are clearly living in very difficult circumstances. that's where gangs are going to prevail. >> when you hear the name ms-13 in the mouth of our president, what do you think and feel? >> first off, he's the biggest pro...

Dagen: you say yes to school choice but yes to the teachers union. >> absolutely. i'm big fan of the american federation for teachers, and i think they're not he didn't the respect. the problem here is not the national federal amount of money. it's the states. the states where you have the worst performing schools. the not receiving the money. two gets the benefits? taxpayers are subsidizing wealthy families who don't want to pay for private schools but now have tax incentives. >> i have to say this. donald trump gave his speech to joint session this week and the line of the night was when he ...

Charter schools and they think of "waiting for superman" they think of good schools poor kids can go to. what's wrong in michigan? >> one of the things i discovered when i got here to washington is that there are charter schools that really work, mostly in other states and michigan's charter system, which, again, she has continued to push to maintain in its current form, has been an unmitigated disaster. for example, 38% of michigan's charters are in the bottom performing schools. so they're supposed to be the answer. they're supposed to be that superman that we talk about and that we saw in t...