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To the state level and there's a limit of how much can be spent, and spend something not proportional to results, so the highest spending in the country, washington, d.c., baltimore, new york, and where is some of the least performing schools, washington, baltimore, new york. so what we have to figure out is another way to teach and often we blame teachers and schools, but i tell people they need to get a mirror and look in the mirror because it's parents that are a big part of this or the absence of parenting which is a big part of the problem that we have in the country, but if we are going ...

Lip service to hear public concerns. that -- but merely attempting to calm the pop ewe lis. >> that's exactly what president obama has proposed. investments in housing and early childhood education and in the lowest performing schools to make sure our children graduate ready for college and career. this is exactly what the president is proposing more of. we're not getting the cooperation. we're taking this conversation around the country along the lines of what you heard mark sh rooifer just say. we're engaged all along the country.

How do you help a child who is in school to get an education by making it tougher or pressuring schools to go easier on the bullies? >> we're talking about preschoolers here, though. >> they're making preschoolers the face of this problem. but preschoolers are not the face of this problem. this is something going on through middle school and particularly in high school. and remember, these kids, these black kids that are already attending some of the lowest performing schools, with some of the lowest performing teachers. now we're going to relegate them to the most violent schools as well? aga...

Lowest performing schools in the country. and joining us is our reporter tramaine who covers education e reporting, and excellent reporting. and you were there in south dakota and can you help people by the numbers understand the enormity of what the families are facing on educational loan. >> the delivery of the education, what is obstructing these kids getting the kind of qua quality education that we think that americans should have is a tangle of bureaucracy, and you have a tangle of it in the bureau of indian education, and you have tribal schools and cha charter schools and all trying to...

>> sure. >> 160 public schools were closed during bloomberg, some of which over huge, huge community pushback. i did not see the charter movement, did not see the big donors for these places running rallies or ads like that, multimillion dollar ad campaigns. when neighborhood schools got closed against the community wanting them closed, there was no one there to stage rallies except the folks in the neighborhood. you try to close a charter school, there are a lot of people writing big checks. >> there's a simple difference. the charter school is really literally one of the highest performing s...