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Our economy so you have to look at the people who are directly engaged with this who understand the bottom line and tuned numbers and they, in turn are going to have to talk to some of these republican house members and governors. this is not smart for anybody. let's see if they can have an effect. >> this is one point where the clinton/obama parallel doesn't work. the republicans are more conservative than they were in the 1990s. look at the ten most polarized years in terms of politic, nine of those ten years are either when bush was president or obama was president. bush was very divisive, ...

Again. he talked about how the country had thought about terrorism before 9/11, about his past work as a prosecutor, about balancing the aggressive pursuit of dangerous criminals with our basic values and way of life. we have to get back to the place we were kerry said where terrorists are not the focus of our lives but they're a nuisance. it was a thoughtful response and gift to his republican opponents. >> first, kerry said defeating terrorism was really more about law enforcement and intelligence than a strong military operation. more about law enforcement than a strong military. now kerry ...

To be critical. the president has come down on the right side on a lot of these issues rhetorically in the past. >> to clarify, if i get sort of bogged down there and say oh, it's amazing he gave this speech i'm not saying oh, everything in this speech is great. i want to make clear and my hope with this discussion i think there's a lot of complexity. there's areas with drones, essentially he redefined the perimeters but left it open to say hey if these perimeters don't work. i think that's very troubling. also michael alluded to it here. we talk about leaks. we talk about government leakers, ...

Much more positive reinforcement every time they do something halfway nice he praises them and reluctant to call them out. the way president clinton handled it he kept distancing himself saying i'm doing the work of the american people and the american people looked at it and decided that's what he was doing. that's what the president now is trying to do. focusing on the work of photo ops that show he cares about his program. this is never going to go away. you're proving that by the history. >> also my comment is they were extremely successful. if you look how much fdr accomplished, how much ...

Shifting this paradigm. one. places where that has to remain true is on this notion there's a category of men at guantanamo that can't be tried and be held indefinitely. that doesn't hold up. if after more than 11 years the government can't make a case against these men then they can't make a case against these men. if all the evidence you have against an individual is based on torture or coarse evidence it's not for high minded moral reason it's unreliable. one of the things that was missing from the president's speech was a faltering defense of the work that his task force did the first time...