And say give me money and i'll give you a pen. >> it's not just donations, it's donations are perk based. not every company is a nonprofit. really anybody can start a campaign on indiegogo. are we interested in this? absolutely. when we came up for the idea of indiegogo in 2006 and launched in 2008, our idea was to go into equity crowd funding, along with the perks and other things, but then found out about the regulations from the '30s and thought we can't go there yet. in our wildest dreams, at some point in the next 20 years, this might change and we'll be able to have indiegogo support cro...