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>> you know, matt, biden's campaign was defined by -- speaking of chaos, trump was chaos. i'm not going to be chaos. we're going to be science-focused. we're going to be this. i wonder if some might say the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasn't going to say where he was. independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i don't think it's a panic number. it's not a good number. it's not what they want. they've got a lot of time. things are going to change. i think it's important to your point, he was elected, given a very wide margin...

>> matt, biden's campaign was defined by -- speaking of chaos. trump was chaos. i'm not going to be chaos. we're going to be science focused, we'll be this. i wonder if -- and some might say that the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasn't going to stay where he was. we've seen the last few administrations, independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i don't think it's a panic number. it's not a good number. it's not what they want. they've got a lot of time. things will change. i think it's important to your point, he was electe...

Trump was chaos. i'm not going to be chaos. we're going to be science focused, we'll be this. i wonder if some might say the expectations are too high that he could govern a polarized environment? >> he wasn't going to stay where he was. independents will come back to their general skeptical outlook. i don't think it's a panic number. it's not a good number. it's not what they want. they've got a lot of time. things will change. i think it's important to your point, he was elected, given a very wide margin because he did represent a return to normalcy and dignity in the presidency. that's what...