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In effect, it is a slush fund that helps those people in times of trouble. so the more difficult it gets, and the more sanctions there are, the more counter of sanctions there are, and the more money goes to the supporters and the friends of vladimir putin. so it's kind of the, you know, pernicious system. but and, yet, this is really about what the west can do other than gigantic war. and that certainly is not what anybody, at least in the west, wants. >> speaking of that, oren liebermann, president biden made it very clear that the u.s. is not going to war with russia. watch this and we'll t...

For example. in effect, it is a slush fund that helps those people in times of trouble. so the more difficult it gets, and not sanctions there are, the more counter sanctions there are. and the more goes to the supporters and the friends of putin. so it's kind of the, you know, pernicious system. but and, yet, this is really about what the west can do other than a huge war. and that's certainly is not what anybody at least in the west wants. >> speaking of that, lauren leberman, president biden made it very clear that u.s. is not going to war with russia. watch this and we'll talk. >> we want ...