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And it's like what study did you come up with to point that out to me? >> somebody just came out and said that. that's really quite a telling moment. >> it's ridiculous. >> amy holmes, what do you -- >> go ahead. >> amy, what do you think is lost when you don't have many african-americans or latinos in the anchor hair or the hosting chair? what do you think is lost -- >> certainly a perspective. for example, on this whole story on shirley sherrod. on my morning radio show one of the things that caught my attention right away was that when governor vilsack was offering her a job he was offering...