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The stop and frisk policy in new york. that's just small examples that are chronic and still at work so in that sense for you to say somehow it's a personalizing allows both him but also you, brother bill, to trif y'allize the suffering that's out there. -- to trivialize the suffering that's out there. martha: west had harsh words for herman cain saying he needs to get off the symbolic crack pipe. bill: we'll put those questions to herman cain later. mitt romney scored a huge victory and it has nothing to do with that debate. the front runner snagging that coveted endorsement from new jersey g...

He's trying to hurt him, professor. and that's what we have to get away from. that was a subject of the arizona speech by president obama, knock it off if you want to debate like we are debating here, you two guys and me, all right, that's what the folks want to hear. they don't want to hear bellafonte's cheap shot at herman cain. >> no, but the point is, you know, first, herman cain when he says racism is not leaving anybody back as if indigenous people, immigration laws to brown brothers and sisters, the stop and frisk policy in new york, 600,000 people stopped, 8% are black and brown, 2% ar...

He's trying to hurt him, professor. and that's what we have to get away from. that was a subject of the arizona speech by president obama, knock it off if you want to debate like we are debating here, you two guys and me, all right, that's what the folks want to hear. they don't want to hear bellafonte's cheap shot at herman cain. >> no, but the point is, you know, first, herman cain when he says racism is not leaving anybody back as if indigenous people, immigration laws to brown brothers and sisters, the stop and frisk policy in new york, 600,000 people stopped, 8% are black and brown, 2% ar...

He's trying to hurt him, professor. and that's what we have to get away from. that was a subject of the arizona speech by president obama, knock it off if you want to debate like we are debating here, you two guys and me, all right, that's what the folks want to hear. they don't want to hear bellafonte's cheap shot at herman cain. >> no, but the point is, you know, first, herman cain when he says racism is not leaving anybody back as if indigenous people, immigration laws to brown brothers and sisters, the stop and frisk policy in new york, 600,000 people stopped, 8% are black and brown, 2% ar...

For you to say somehow that it's personalizing allows both him, but also you, brother bill, to trivialize the suffering that's out there. >> yes, i totally get west. when you make race the basis of most of your public appearances, like west often does, then anyone who isn't doing the same thing is trivializing. that's when cain talks, steam billows from the ears of left wing academics, the reaction like a robot makes when malfunctioning in a science fiction movie. maybe mr. cain poses a big threat. i don't know if cain is saying racism isn't a big deal, but is saying there are bigger things to...