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>> bill: not trivializing anything. i give away more than a million dollars a year to help the poor, professor. >> we're not talking about philanthropy. we're talking about justice. >> bill: you said that i don't feel sorry for the poor, that's exactly what you said two seconds ago. >> i said you trivialize the suffering. >> philanthropic and trivialize their suffering. >> bill: what i'm saying here -- wait, wait, wait. hold it! hold it! >> do you believe what -- >> bill: i'm speaking up for the freedom of herman cain to speak his mind. >> he can have the right to be wrong. he has right to be ...

Issues, why do you have to personally attack him? bad apple and he said other things that i just didn't even run. bellafonte. why can't you disagree respectfully? >> bill, i totally agree with you and i try to engage in respectful and civil dialogue but let's be clear about this, herman cain struck the first blow. when you tell black folk that they're brainwashed. when you tell the poor if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourselves. when you start making those kinds of comments, you should expect to have americans push back on you so that's not disrespecting his entrepreneural ...

When you disrespected president obama in the interview, that was a certain kind of personal attack, too. and we -- >> bill: how did i disrespect him? >> by not even allowing him to answer when you have an exchange. everybody acknowledged to the way that your disrespect was unjustified, brother. >> cutting him off. >> bill: professor tavis, that's your opinion on the obama interview but you know who liked the obama interview? obama! >> i'm not saying you can't ask tough questions. i'm saying play the tape, everybody in america saw you keep disrespecting him by cutting him off. >> bill: i interr...

If you're going to make an accusation, professor, as a learned academic that o'neill or the other fat cats on wall street broke the law, back it up! what law did they break? >> if we were able to engage in investigation and look at what was going on between 2007 and 2008, my hunch is we would find some behavior, my brother. >> bill: your hunch? >> yeah, we can't get to it. >> bill: maybe that's right. you can't make an accusation on a hunch. >> bill, there have been -- >> bill: you just -- >> major text out there. you're a reader. you're a reader. you know that. >> bill: you guys come up, you ...

>> bill: not trivializing anything. i give away more than a million dollars a year to help the poor, professor. >> we're not talking about philanthropy. we're talking about justice. >> bill: you said that i don't feel sorry for the poor, that's exactly what you said two seconds ago. >> i said you trivialize the suffering. >> philanthropic and trivialize their suffering. >> bill: what i'm saying here -- wait, wait, wait. hold it! hold it! >> do you believe what -- >> bill: i'm speaking up for the freedom of herman cain to speak his mind. >> he can have the right to be wrong. he has right to be ...