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Because that has a lot of black voters in it. the two of them share a lane. did either of them benefit or were they hurt by the back and forth between klobuchar and buttigieg? >> i think broad brush, we have seven great candidates on stage tonight. probably any of them could beat donald trump in the right environment and you've got other great candidates that weren't on the stage tonight. democrats should always be happy on debate night because you have an opportunity to show the values of your party and contrast to the values of donald trump. we saw that from all the candidates. i think the b...

Stage tonight. we're going to bring it into the discussion. >> corinne gets -- >> i need my rebuttal, 45 seconds. who watched this debate? >> people who like moving backgrounds. >> through the ears. i mean, we're days before christmas. nobody's watching. and not only that, i think no one's going to pay attention until after the holidays in january. we're, what, less than 50 days to iowa. >> right. >> i would be surprised if anybody watched this debate. i don't think it will move the numbers all that much. yes, klobuchar was certainly trending on twitter. good for her. she did a great job. we h...

I think the point there is political talent is political talent. they all come from different backgrounds and they all have different narratives that introduce them to the political world. so i don't think that argument sticks against mayor pete. i think probably the thing you'd be more concerned about if you're mayor pete, or again, the push back that he had to deal with around the fund-raisers and the wine caves, and also just the fact that he's in a very crowded space in the middle now. the three candidates who have done the best in this environment, this impeachment environment, biden, but...

Donald trump in the right environment and you've got other great candidates that weren't on the stage tonight. democrats should always be happy on debate night because you have an opportunity to show the values of your party and contrast to the values of donald trump. we saw that from all the candidates. i think the back and forth was because iowa is breathing down the neck of some of these candidates and for klobuchar, pete and elizabeth warren, for some of them it's must-win because maybe you can't compete in new hampshire or south carolina, right? i think it's important as we look at the so...

You had won in indiana, that would be one thing. you tried, and you lost by 20 points. >> that kind of ended with bernie sanders took over from there. but, you know, it is a relevant point. because part of what the electorate who is sort of playing arm chair quarterback at home and trying to figure out who can beat donald trump is they're thinking about electability. they're both midwestern candidates. ari berman tweeted out the last time amy klobuchar ran for reelection she got 1.5 million votes. mayor pete was elected with 8500 votes. is it a stylistic thing of who people think is electable ...