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It as sarcasm. of course, peter navaro has been indicted for refusing to comply with the subpoena from the committee. those are just some of the details we're getting from this voluminous testimony from cassidy hutchinson. our team continues to look through these transcripts, and many details coming out now, including the ones i have just told you about. >> jessica, thank you very much. let's get to more on what's going on. joining us now, gloria borger and shan wu. how incredible is it that cassidy hutchinson saw mark meadows burning documents? >> it is remarkable, it is absurd, and it is cle...

Former white house chief of staff mark meadows with peter navaro, one of the former president's top economic advisers. i mean, these are people with outlandish conspiracy theorys, and they were being talked about and trafficked in the white house. she talks about even the president being told by margie taylor green at a georgia rally, she said a lot of my constitch wents are i don't know and they'll all be there. >> the idea that it's being pushed by a adviser like navaro, saying take a look at this, these are good ideas, it raises questions about the type of judgment, the type of discretion t...

Congressman scott perry, who, in fact, was subpoenaed by the committee but never complied. in addition, hutchinson also telling the committee how she says discussions about qanon conspiracies really permeated the white house. she said in particular, mark meadows brought up the conspiracy theorys. congresswoman margorie taylor greene made mention of that far right wing movement. and then cassidy hutchinson said she had this exchange with white house trade adviser peter navaro. she said, at one point, i had sarcastically said, is this from your omicroqanon friends, peter? he said, have you looke...

Pattern which is in the house rules will be followed. if it isn't, shame on them. >> what do you think of committee's decision to refer them to the ethics committee rather than for criminal prosecution? >> well, i'm not sure the committee had many better options, paula. you know, of the other subpoena defiers, two of them were prosecuted. that's steve bannon and peter navaro. but mark meadows and former white house official dan scavino were referred to doj, no prosecution. the now it's wrong of kevin mccarthy and the others to defy lawful subpoenas from the house. we'll see if the committee ta...

It's going to matter whether people tune out a week and come back. the doj has to say what they think about these facts. not opinions, not just the recommendations. although those are in there, too. but what do they do with the facts? you have three lawyers, then the other aides who come in as these paths converge. the plot here, the bloodless coup, would also need members of congress to join in. and the trump white house aide who was trying to whip up the support for that, peter navaro, he hadn't been subpoenaed when we pressed him on what they were trying to do. he insisted on overthrowing t...