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Sondland tried to explain to me that president trump is a businessman, when a businessman is about to sign a check do someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check." congressman welch, as you know, ambassador taylor then said, of course, ukraine owes donald trump nothing. is gordon sondland in danger of perjury charges for his testimony to your committee? >> i think he is. you know, when he presented himself, he was kind of a rich guy who bought an ambassadorship. he pretended it was a good day for him, he got a job he wanted but h...

Also included an effort to prompt ukrainians to investigate vice president biden or his son. congressman, i saw one of your colleagues on your network a short while ago, peter welsh from vermont say it was his impression that sondland had been duped by rudy giuliani and the president. do you agree with that assessment? >> so i can't get into specific testimony, but based on his opening statement we don't know if he was duped or otherwise, but it's true that he basically was directed to go to giuliani who basically was apparently calling the shots on what was required by the ukrainian governmen...

Well, it does need to be a vehicle. but - i need this out of my house. (vo) with fair, transparent value for every trade-in... enterprise makes it easy. >> neil: we could be hearing from the president very soon. he's at a white house event. he might take questions or volunteer something. the inspector general michael atkinson before congress as we speak on this whole whistle-blower event. chad pergram outside while that is happening. what is the latest? >> a couple minutes ago, i saw peter welsh from vermont come back in. there's a lot of back and forth in the meeting with atkinson about the w...

Thank you for watching all the details there. joining us democratic congressman peter welsh of vermont. he is the democratic chief deputy whip. representative, thank you for being here with us on this evening. you heard what mike viqueira was saying. he said do not expect that the democratic side will be budging in general is what he was reporting. would you agree with that statement? >> well, i do. but i think the real issue here is the president hasn't indicated what his position is. when you look back, we'd actually had a budget agreement that was massive progress in what has been bitter co...

Did you see that editorial in the "new york times" today? they took out a full page to say if the president moves on mueller they worry about the democracy. >> well, chris, i've introduced a companion measure to the legislation that senators tillis, coons, graham and booker. i, along with peter welsh of vermont, i believe we need to protect the special prosecutor. it would be a terrible mistake for the president to fire him. it would be bad for the president, bad for republicans and bad for the american people. he should think very hard about this. it would be a self destructive act to do that...