sondland tried to explain to me that president trump is a businessman, when a businessman is about to sign a check do someone who owes him something, he said, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the check." congressman welch, as you know, ambassador taylor then said, of course, ukraine owes donald trump nothing. is gordon sondland in danger of perjury charges for his testimony to your committee? >> i think he is. you know, when he presented himself, he was kind of a rich guy who bought an ambassadorship. he pretended it was a good day for him, he got a job he wanted but he was pretty naive that he didn't know the real meeting was going on in the room next door. but, of course, the evidence is now coming out that, in fact, he was a very active instrument to try to essentially assist giuliani in the effort to have this rogue foreign policy. so, yes, i think ambassador sondland has some reason to be