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Effective and less capable of doing the work we need on our employees to do. >> amen, carol. you have a list of the lawmakers working hardest and most effectively for working fathers. talk about some of the senators. i want to focus on the senate. some of the snores who get a grade a from your magazine and what are the things they are pursuing that give you that grade a? >> bob casey and kristen gillibrand, let's start with them. all the senators who made our list are doing two things. one is that they're either sponsors or voting for bills family friendly. they also have to qualify by having ...

Investment to say focus on teacher assessment. >> but the -- right, but the nuance has always been on, okay. what do you do when you grade a student here? do you grade -- have they moved up from -- from one reading level to another reading level or are they on a fourth grade reading level? see what i mean? sometimes teachers -- this is where i think the nuance of the argument gets lost, which is, are you grading a teacher's merit pay based on, is the student reading at a specific grade level that they're supposed to be reading on because the state says this is the level, or have they made adva...

I have my eggs to prove it. here are the eggs. eggs, the eggs are here. they're with the virginia egg council and about 30,000 kids are coming on. how do you like your eggs? you like them over easy or fresh? ai've got a fresh egg here. >> i like them hard boiled. >> see how fresh she is? that's a fresh egg. and -- >> great egg, baby. >> grade a, exactly. this is a great event. 30,000 children will be here. i was watching them gather in a mass as they were going to come in and, of course, you got to be a big kid to come in here as well. i'm one of them so i couldn't have a better assignment for...

Splits the conservative vote? >> i think it remains to be seen. it's interesting that governor perry has a lot of support among fellow governors. they know him very, very well. that's a space that mitt romney came out of. he's been out of that game for a while. it will be fascinating to see how many of the current republican governors from around the country would rally to perry if he officially jumps in the race. and how many endorsements he racks up. they matter those governors can rack up grassroots supports from the conservatives, but they can provide financial support. i think we'll have ...

I think you've got a whole republican party here that just can't come to terms with the idea that an african-american is president of the united states and they keep finding coded ways to say it. >> i hear you. and by the way, we've got ron paul later in the show. i think he's got a different take on bernanke. we're out of time. but it was a great conversation, michael isikoff, all great voices. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. now president obama called donald trump a carnival barker today, but he's the ringleader of a circus that is the republican party. again, the crazy train won't...