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Examined, but we'll have to see if the fbi feels that that's what this was about. as we wait for more word, let's bring in cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mud and aaron david miller. phil, i don't know if you heard my question there. but you were part of this type of process. you also did some work for the saudis individually. so what do you understand about how the u.s. government makes these kinds of determinations and whether or not this risk is part of the analysis. >> it's got to be part of the analysis. after 9/11 when i was at the bureau, you have to sit back and look at a couple cate...

Analyst phil mud and aaron david miller. phil, i don't know if you heard my question there. but you were part of this type of process. you also did some work for the saudis individually. so what do you understand about how the u.s. government makes these kinds of determinations and whether or not this risk is part of the analysis. >> it's got to be part of the analysis. after 9/11 when i was at the bureau, you have to sit back and look at a couple categories of people. there are people here who are immigrants of saudi arabia. there are not thousands but tens of thousands of students on this ba...

Investigation into russian interference. this fisa, you know, somebody said, you know, it was 10% even less, i mean carter page was not a big player in this so let's not magnify the significance of this. this was a huge investigation and that's part -- i think that's part of what will be the criticisms that, you know, the fbi didn't bring more people into this, right? because they were afraid -- actually were afraid he was going to leak which it didn't. >> adam goldman, thanks for your reporting, phil mud, thanks and jeffrey toobin, thanks for sitting next to me. facts and the impact, remember...

Us imagine when we think of what washington is doing on our behalf. the cia of john brennan and phil mud does not exist for our benefit, it exists solely for the benefit of the people who work there. we pay for the whole thing, but they do what they want and they punish anyone who criticizes them. they brag about that. that's scary of course, is a perversion of democracy, it's exactly with the people who created the cia feared most. but it's also, if we're going to be honest, it's annoying, because for all of the hype, the cia in the end isn't even very good at its job. remember, this is an in...

A united states president ever asking the head of another state to investigate an american citizen? because that's what you're saying trump did, right? he said you really should look at joe biden and his son because i hate corruption. >> phil mud said this the other day that the purpose of having people on those calls is not to spy on the president of the united states and the discussion -- so then they can go talk to congress. >> what's the answer to my question? >> that's not the purpose of being on the call. >> -- the united states president. hold on. >> i am getting to that. >> good. becau...