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And explain to america what the veterans affairs department is really trying to do. it's going to be a very tough ard to fill. one official said to me, we need a turnaround king. someone who can come in and turn around what is essentially a failing company. wolf? >> and reassure all those veterans out there. if you want to be a cabinet secretary you have to go out there, got to not only speak to your constituents if you will, veterans but speak to the american people. you've got to make statements, got to go on television. you've got to do what you got to do in order to make the case. you can'...

Basically, you have a president who now knows that the world perceives him as weak. look, dick cheney, whether you like him or not, a lot of people agree with him. barack obama is aware that his legacy is going to get tarred with the same brush that jimmy carter got tarred. he is going to yet i continues it kick the can. you make the decision when things are this bad at the v.a. you say listen, general, we appreciate it. it just didn't work out. just as bush didmñ with threatt. it's no longer just dick cheney suggesting we are weak. have you got the "new york times" editorial page, back this ...

Own administration. >> drew, for months if not years you've been reporting all this information. i didn't hear it coming from congressional oversight committees. i didn't hear it coming from within the department of veterans affairs. i heard you reporting it. what was the reaction over these many months you were getting from the department of veterans affairs when you broke these stories? >> this is what i think the real scandal is. to shinseki, himself. it is absolutely no response we got from the va. they would not talk to us. they would not answer our questions. we would tell them when our ...

Made the right decision. >> what do you make of the audits come in all over the country, true? you know a lot about what's going on. veterans out there who want good, solid health care. how worried should they be? >> the families should be very worried especially the real tragedy is the people who go to the va, the veterans who go to the va. i think you'll attest this, they have nowhere to go because a lot of the veterans who have other kind of health care know to go there instead of the va. that's just the plain truth. so you have a lot of these patients who can't be advocates for themselves....

Personal story segment. jay carney. the topic, the v.a. >> last week, the president at that podium promised, quote, once we know the facts, i assure you if there is misconduct. it will be punished. have you heard them. >> we have -- a set of facts and a preliminary report -- thank you, ed, we got a report yesterday, and the president found the report extremely troubling. he tasked the secretary with conducting an internal audit. an internal review. and asked for a preliminary report from the secretary by the end of this week. and he awaits that preliminary report. >> obviously a weak response ...