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And i've got a copy of it right here. >> so you were told several hours ago at 3:00 that the pardon had been signed. we only found out about it after 8:00 while this hurricane was hitting. any sense why the signing of it, you being notified and then announcing it to the american people? >> i was e-mailed a copy pretty promptly here. it appears it was signed today, 25th of august -- [ inaudible ] >> our connection is not so good. i fear i might lose you right now. but talk to me about the white house counsel phone confidence with sheriff arpaio, what was the nature of that conversation a week a...

Information about your opponent, of course you're going to grab someone else. the reality is there weren't a bunch of junior staffers or other people. so he probably grabbed whoever the closest folks were to him and pulled them in. so the most honest answer is the most direct and straightforward one. >> it's not like he's in a mcdonald's and someone comes up and says i have this information. this was through a contact who worked on the miss universe pageant in russia. so there must have been an e-mail or phone confidence wen d.o. donald trump, jr. and this person with an explanation of yeah, t...

Mcdonald's and someone comes up and says i have this information. this was through a contact who worked on the miss universe pageant in russia. so there must have been an e-mail or phone confidence wen donald trump, jr. and this person with an explanation of yeah, there is this attorney with russia. he must have known to some degree, no? >> well, to someone who has maybe worked on a number of campaigns and be a part of this over the past 20 years of campaigns that i've done, i can't think of a single campaign where i didn't have someone approach the campaign and say, we have information on you...