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Succeeded in doing, or giving phony electors' names. there's nothing lauro says, that's trying to put lipstick on a pig. there's no way of calling that political speech. that's just an effort to do unlawful things. the whole thing is really a kind of misdirection. it's interesting and a little surprising he's trying it so much in the press. i guess that's consistent with trump's overall strategy. his really only hope here is to win the election and the call the case off. >> politico points out that the potential weakness of the fulton county case is that essentially a local prosecutor charging...

The same thing here. he might have been convinced that he won the election. that does not excuse the attempts to create phony electors. that does not excuse the attempt to pressure the vice president. it certainly does not excuse his call to his mob to head up to the hill. the type of intent that you need here is much less than trump's recognition that he lost the election. it would be nice to have that information. it would be nice to have that evidence. it would certainly impress the jury. but it is not essential to prove trump skill. s nowhat is your sense of, it cynthia? this is an interes...

Anyway just to show the kind of guy that he is, but that will be the question. are they actually trying to put that one together? >> harry, you want next level, this whole week was next level, think about the headlines. continuing the headlines for donald trump, giuliani, raffensperger the reportings we all heard this week, when you look at the totality of it, what is your biggest take away from the last few days? >> that smith is clearly a gradually pursuing at a minimum a freestanding case involving january six, but the phony electors, not only the phony electors but their potential conspira...

Indications up, including what you said about brown's testimony, and if he gave, it i think either has immunity, or he's not a target. that's now at the level of trump, or at least trump's circle. a sort of separate january 6th charged based on the phony electors. i do think there is real focus on a sort of freestanding crime involving 16. i don't think that the almost aluminum foil words on a bus of guys like rodriguez are big parts of the overall charge. >> ryan former officer michael fanone made a victim statement at rodriguez's sentencing. what did he say? >> yes, he has done this process ...

Like? i have to tell you, when you said this is important for the history books, that just does not feel like enough. >> okay. what -- first of all, whatever eastman is looking at, chaz burrow is looking at. if you could call it this for such a harebrained scheme, he is the brains behind their job and it really is him that comes up with these crazy theories about phony electors and alike. so he is in the same hot water, maybe even a little hotter as a matter of conspiracy law then is eastman. that is serious stuff and it is a little interesting that the committee did not really fronted in the ...