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Look vote by vote, that they want to make clear that intimidating people who are election officials, sending slates of phony electors would also be outlawed. and most of all, making clear that when the vote actually happens following an election, it's really more ceremonial than a chance for somebody to come in and try to ransack the capitol and overturn the vote. >> you make a strong point to say that this is overdue because if you look at a new cnn poll, most americans lack confidence in them voting on the people. 48% are somewhat likely in the next year that they'll successfully overturn th...

So let's talk about the georgia republicans. they say they didn't do anything wrong. they didn't know about a plot to, quote, misuse their votes so trump could stay in office. where do potential criminal charges fit in? >> there's definitely trouble in trump world. we all knew this special grand jury investigation was serious, a subpoena seeking testimony from members of trump's inner circles. now we have learned criminal charges could be play in, if the members of the 16 phony electors knowingly submitted false documents and knowingly tried to interfere with election results. the argument has...

She sees them now as witnesses. otherwise she would have provided them the same treatment. but these guys are front and center in the middle of the scheme to do phony electors. and you can really understand why she is doing it. >> and joyce, district attorney willis has also reportedly considering requesting testimony from trump himself. what kinds of things would she need to take into consideration before making that decision? >> one of the most important considerations is whether the potential benefits that she would get from the subpoena if, for instance, she were able to get the former pre...

Deputy. they knew all of the details. i get the sense, also, that cipollone, back a month or two ago basically told them what happened on that occasion. there is no executive privilege there. everything was already revealed. so i think that cipollone did give a detailed account of what happened at that moment all of which related to all other aspects of what donald trump was doing with the phony electors, the effort to try to get the states to send new electors that would be pro trump as opposed to the biden electors that were rightfully elected by the states. it relates to everything else we ...

So i think that cipollone probably did give a very detailed account of what happened at that moment, all of which related to all other aspects of what donald trump was doing with the phony electors, his effort to try to get the states to send new electors that would be pro trump as opposed to the biden electors that were rightfully elected by the states. i think once you get into that meeting it sort of relates to everything else that we know was going on leading up to the meeting and what happened after the meeting. so i wouldn't be surprised if they actually started to and moved out from tha...