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The oath keepers marched in a stack formation up the capitol steps, equipped themselves with a variety of weapons and were, quote, prepared to take up arms at rhodes' direction. my next guest follows the oath keepers better married for 23 years including while rhodes was founding the oath keepers until she filed for divorce in 2018. tosha adams joins me now. your reaction to stewart rhodes testifying today? >> what i thought. he pled the fifth. he talked about himself a lot, as well. the founding of the org. he didn't talk about what happened in the last year and a half or so. he pled the fift...

And everybody under the bus as soon as it makes sense for him politically. he did that to jeff sessions, mike pence, mitch mcconnell. he'll do it to lindsey graham again and again. it also, i think, has a terribly damaging effect on the long-term prospects of the republican party especially in places like america's suburbs. my home state of texas is a great example of that. because of this kind of behavior, these purity tests for the maga movement, they've lost a lot of the suburbs of dallas and houston and austin and other places, and they accelerated the turning over of texas from a red stat...

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Nfl columnist for "usa today." and maya wiley is back with us. jared, your thoughts on the lawsuit? >> i think this was something that is going to inevitably happen one of these days. when you think about equality and fair opportunity for black coaches, it happens been with us for such a long time and there have been so many different initiatives, programs, obviously a lot of conversation and a rooney rule for almost 20 years. but i think the next frontier almost had to be some type of legal action. and even if you go back to the origins of the rooney rule, maya, it came out of a threat, a hin...

Time. >> you told the "l.a. times" you originally envisioned the oath keepers as a cigar club of like minded libertarians. what changed? >> i think it never really changed for him in his it beca. i think the libertarian side of things sort of left leaning libertarian, anything goes side of things was a pitch that he gave because there was a very large movement at the time. there was a lot of money. there was a lot of energy in the ron paul movement and i think he wanted to absorb that and eventually later he morphed a little more to the right and a little more to the right and eventually, you ...