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>> i think perhaps you're right. he certainly had academic patter down a lot better than a lot of them did. to me, and i grew up in massachusetts, paul ryan is the biggest fake i've ever seen in politics. i mean, nobody's close. if he's not doing this, you know, phony wonk thing, you know, where he's -- he's putting together his budgets with magic asterisks, he's going down the old jack kemp fwral how he cares about poor folks. paul ryan cares about one thing and only one thing shoving as much wealth up to the very, very top of the food chain and making sure it doesn't trickle back down again....

Know, phony wonk thing, you know, where he's -- he's putting together his budgets with magic asterisks, he's going down the old jack kemp trail about how he cares about poor folks. paul ryan cares about one thing and only one thing shoving as much wealth up to the very, very top of the food chain and making sure it doesn't trickle back down again. that's the summation of paul ryan's legacy. >> that's a much clearer through line than deficits and debt i think. of you said look at what he's done. although there is something that is interesting in his career, ruth, which is the ryan budget. i thi...