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All around the world. and of course, it makes us look like our own democracy and our support for democracy abroad, these values that have guided our foreign policy since the fall of the berlin wall 30 years ago, can be bought and sold out just for political dirt. >> so just to be clear, you know, in terms of understanding this backstory to crowdstrike, i think what you're saying is so manafort and his associate were working for the old corrupt ukrainian dictator. part of what happens is manafort is essentially outed by the ukrainians. trump is enraged by that. i think that's where the original...

>> a russian-born american, exactly. he believes that those servers are somehow located in ukraine and this plugged into another broader conspiracy about the ukrainians colluding with the democrats to rig the 2016 election against trump, which has also been debunked. >> just to be clear, the argument is that crowdstrike, which was the firm that discovered the hacking, was actually a -- you know, part of a ukrainian plot to hack the dnc servers. and then make it look like it was the russians who had done it. >> exactly, hard to even explain because there's so many layers there. and all of this,...

And secretaries against people or for their political interests. for us, it's very good sign that even in this situation, when maybe it was very easy to say something and to act something, somehow illegally, our president didn't do that. >> mustafa, svitlana, thank you very much. that was much needed perspective from ukraine. next on "gps," if you listen to the impeachment hearings this week, you might have heard the phrase crowdstrike. it's part of a conspiracy theory that has been woven around computer servers, the dnc, and of course, ukraine. we'll get to the bottom of it when we come back....

Europe. nina, i have to confess, george kent was at one point asked what do you know about crowdstrike? he said honestly, the first time i heard about it is when i read the transcript of the wall. it made me feel better because i knew a little about it, vaguely, but i was surprised it occupied such a large space in donald trump's imagination. >> absolutely. >> what is crowdstrike? >> a cybersecurity firm. that's how most people know it. frankly, it blew my mind to see it come up in the transcript as well. you don't need to feel badly about that. i think donald trump, for some reason, believes ...