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We've been through. a couple of high-profile ones over the last generation. during one of those donald trump said he believed responsibility for a government shutdown belongs to the president. back in 2013 he said that president obama should be fired over a pending government shutdown. >> who's going to bear the brunt of the responsibility if indeed there is a shutdown of our government? >> if you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. the president's the leader and he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got ...

Sure the jobs are there and really dealing with the corruption in government. those are the things we're going to do, and we can do two or three things all at the same time, not to worry. we're going to get the job done come january 3rd, 4th and 5th. >> second question to you then, because earlier this year previous shutdown drama, there did seem to be the makings of a potential deal there about some money, some funding for a wall. chuck schumer offered this at the time in exchange for daca, a daca fix the democrats would be willing to sign up for. the president on twitter seemed to suggest th...

Democrats having their first month back in control of the house be defined by this shutdown potentially over any other plans they had? >> i don't think democrats are going to budge. donald trump tried to close the midterm election by focusing on the border, as you know well. that did not prevent the blue wave from taking back the house of representatives. all the public opinion polling shows the public knows trump is to blame for the shutdown. trump has said in his own words that he's the one shutting down the government. so democrats are in a very strong position here. there's no reason to gi...

It would appear so are the democrats. in a statement, house democratic leader nancy pelosi's office said "democrats are united against the president's immoral, ineffective and expensive wall. the wall that he specifically promised mexico would pay for." this comes as homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen visits the southern border with mexico amid controversy over the deaths of two migrant children in u.s. custody over the last month. for more i'm joined by annie carney, the white house reporter for "the new york times." ben rhodes is a former deputy national security advisor to preside...

Pelosi to have one of her first acts as speaker caving to donald trump on a wall that the american people don't want just because 30% of americans who support donald trump want it. >> i guess that's the question then, from a democratic standpoint if we say for republicans how committed is the base to a tangible, physical wall, i guess the question for the democrats is for their base looking at this fight, ben, what would define caving in? because you've got the situation where trump is saying $5 billion for the wall. the democrats are saying $1.3 billion for fencing, not a wall. they're saying...