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Of the shooters, three innocent bystande bystande bystanders. a jersey city police detective, 39 years old, married father of five, and look at this photo. i think most people when they think of the fbi think of g-men, middle aged guys in suits riding around in a crown victoria maybe serving a warrant, here's a guy without a kevlar helmet wearing the most minimal body armor with a long gun in urban streets where there was a gun battle going on. this too, chuck, is the fbi? >> you bet it is. it's the fbi. it's law enforcement at the state, local, and federal level throughout the country. the ge...

Politically. they have political views. they vote. they're entitled to do that. but when they come to work, they leave it at the doorstep. so the notion that their work was infected is just so anathema to what they are. >> i thought of you last night because i heard the president at the rally refer to some of the people at the fbi as scum. >> mm-hmm. >> last night as part of their coverage of a tragedy we had here in the new york area, our new york television station wnbc chronicled the loss of life. six people killed in a mass shooting incident including two of the shooters. three innocent by...

Surprising and just not appropriate under these circumstances given what he said and given what the i.g. had found. >> now, you guys on tv especially are 100% g-men. you guys are always stone cold sober. but i have been with you both and talked to you personally. andrew, how hard has it been for you after all the years of service -- not asking you to get mushy but just to be honest about it -- and have this stink on you, that you were part of this cabal, this deep-state effort to take a president down because of your own politics? >> chris, i can tell you, and i feel confident speaking on beha...

>> humor you. >> he lied to a bunch of people, including the vice president, which is the reason the president fired him. it wasn't just, like, the g-men who got him. he was telling this lie all over town. >> this was a scheme. it was a narrative he was trying to maintain throughout the transition period and into his time in office. i'm not convinced that it was just to protect the president. remember, michael flynn was freelancing on a whole variety of issues, including a u.s./russia nuclear reactor plan that would have required the u.s. to lift sanctions on russia for it to work. michael fly...

Maturity, that amount of training, that amount of education, should have been in the perfect position to know exactly what was expected of him during an interview with law enforcement officials at the federal level. i mean, he would have known unequivocally. in fact, in his position as the director of dia, he was often forced into taking acts against employees who had failed to live up to their obligations. >> yeah. that is a great point. there's also the other problem with this, natasha, from just -- i mean, it's not a serious argument, but for the moment, pretending it is -- >> humor you. >>...