Deny important science, like climate change, but to forbid other people from being involved in it, even when, in the case of wisconsin, it's relevant. we manage some 70,000 acres of forestland. and anybody who knows anything about it knows that climate change is affecting the forest, the species of trees, the health of the forest. and people in northern wisconsin are concerned about this. and we should be able to work with them and analyze what climate change might be doing to the forestland that we manage. >> yeah, i just want to be clear about the relevance here. you know, there is an insect...