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That link has never been proven or established. but if that's your standard, then isn't governor christie accountable for creating a culture where this kind of abuse cos have occurred and been ordered by top lieutenants? >> that happens four or five times in every administration, every governor, every mayor, every president has his people do something wrong and then all of you rightly ask, did the culture create it, didn't it. if the culture did the create it, you've got to change the culture. that's different than saying you're responsible for abusing power, you're a bully, you're terrible, y...

Accountable for creating a culture where this kind of abuse cos have occurred and been ordered by top lieutenants? >> that happens four or five times in every administration, every governor, every mayor, every president has his people do something wrong and then all of you rightly ask, did the culture create it, didn't it. if the culture did the create it, you've got to change the culture. that's different than saying you're responsible for abusing power, you're a bully, you're terrible, you're awful. the president says he didn't know what happened with the irs. i believe that's true. the issu...

Now he is saying it's phony. >> it's all crisis management. i think he believed that if he just said this was in excusable that they could bury and put it off the front pages, but it's bigger than he obviously believed he could handle and now he has to do what every president who has got caught doing something that they should not be doing that has large ramifications and that is trying to divert attention away from it, lie about it, call it things that it isn't is. what is the big problem is with the scandal, the big intrusion into people's lives. this is scaring people and now we have obama-...

Expire, particularly for the wealthy. >> it's president obama's proposal. he ran on it. let him implement it. it things slow down, it's his fault and that's fine with me. and i hope things don't slow down. i hope we get real tax reform in 2013. i think picking the fight right now on the expiring bush tax cuts is a mistake. >> can the president allow all of the tax cuts to expire given the impact that's predicted on the economy? >> look, one hopes that these warrings factions that we have in washington will reach a compromise before january 1st. >> but david corn says that's virtually impossibl...

Making an appearance there. this is pretty rare for him. the israelis actually assassinated the previous leader of hezbollah. this is the group that has been, you know, sending rockets raining into israel, that kind of thing and they are out in protest right now. their leader, the guy who presumably ordered that kind of activity, has been speaking to them. he isn't often seen in public but he is there now. we'll keep eye on situation in lebanon. we'll see if it things get out of hand. it has been going that way into the middle east. we'll keep an eye out for you. jamie: anti-american violence ...