accountable for creating a culture where this kind of abuse cos have occurred and been ordered by top lieutenants? >> that happens four or five times in every administration, every governor, every mayor, every president has his people do something wrong and then all of you rightly ask, did the culture create it, didn't it. if the culture did the create it, you've got to change the culture. that's different than saying you're responsible for abusing power, you're a bully, you're terrible, you're awful. the president says he didn't know what happened with the irs. i believe that's true. the issue gets resolved if the president straightens it out and it doesn't happen again. that's the way you evaluate one of those things. that's a very, very ambiguous and amorphous charge that the culture created it things go wrong in every administration so then the person in charge has to take accountability for it and make it clear i didn't want you to do that. i can't tell you how often i had to do that. people would do things they thought i wanted it, i didn't,
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