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To worst have a vote in the lame duck session. you'll still have the same republican majority then. that will be plan b. but from everything i could get from our reporting talking to officials real close to us, officials in the white house, they have no desire to go down that route. it's for two reasons. one, they fundamentally believe that if they are to give in at this point on kavanaugh it will invite further democratic opposition to whoever it is that replaces kavanaugh and any other future supreme court nominee. and secondarily, in a crassly political nomination, trump knows his reputatio...

To go down that road. it's for two reasons. one, they fundamentally believe if they are to give in at this point on kavanaugh, it will invite further democratic position to whoever it is that replaces kavanaugh or any supreme court nominee. and secondarily, in a political nomination, trump knows it hinges on two things. one is the appetite for these political fights, and the second is delivering them the type of conservative judges that they dream of. if you were to back away from kavanaugh at this juncture, he would be disappointing them on both those fronts 60 days before the midterm electio...

Chairman of that committee, that's really something. and he can guide public policy at least up to a point. so i think it's the better job. >> who is or what is plan b if paul ryan holds to his absolute no? >> well, i think newt gingrich can take to heart that paul ryan is absolutely taking his advice and there are several plan bs right now, though, we're in an odd situation in which the vast majority of the people who say they would run for speaker are saying they'll only run if paul ryan doesn't run. so it's a rare historical moment. but there are several means being thrown out there. the ch...

Rule or ruin position. but in ways and means, the chairman of that committee, that's really something. and he can guide public policy at least up to a point. so i think it's the better job. >> who is or what is plan b if paul ryan holds to his absolute no? >> well, i think newt gingrich can take to heart that paul ryan is absolutely taking his advice and there are several plan bs right now, though, we're in an odd situation in which the vast majority of the people who say they would run for speaker are saying they'll only run if paul ryan doesn't run. so it's a rare historical moment. but ther...

>> you'll see a million pieces like that. you know, i generally try to avoid commenting on gossip. >> then i guess that's a no comment. fine. michael, to you. how about the plan bs that we're talking about in this, i don't know, gossip column, political report, whatever it is, should they make republicans nervous? >> yeah. look, the republicans really need to be nervous on a number of fronts. despite what the perceived weaknesses and real weaknesses that hillary is experiencing right now in her campaign, at the end of the day, the republicans have to deal with a big blue wall. and that is the ...