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Past in effect that because this has worked so well, maybe you don't need everything you're asking for in the build back better plan. >> well, look. we have great respect for senator manchin. i've known him for a long time. but i think we so need to keep this going. i look and see things like, that he believes in, like universal child care and preschool. those things won't happen if the build back better plan doesn't pass. the child tax credit, the dramatic impact that is having on reducing child poverty. it goes 97, 98% of those who get it are people who are working hard. the others are peopl...

Without the american rescue plan. there's just no evidence, we would be the only country in the world to have returned to our growth output level by the end of june, without the american rescue plan. or that we'd be creating ten times the amount of jobs. or that those hospitality jobs would be using 100,000. or that we are up and that employment would fall this fast. >> senator joe manchin, the votes that you need on future legislation says that because he has it in the past, that this works so well. maybe you don't need everything that you are asking for in the build back better plan. >> well...

Acknowledgement that there will have to be a plan b. >> no. >> is there sort of plan if the plan doesn't pass? >> no. it's going to pass. so that's it. >> well, it didn't pass. >> it didn't pass. and look, again, it's his job to go out and be optimistic and talk for his boss. it's one of the toughest jobs. we both covered the building. there is questions about the credibility of the president, the things that the president says in that podium. now there is a performance question. rebecca is right. this is a preexisting condition, they were there when john boehner was speaker. he left town. the...

The nuclear deal and suggest why you need nuclear action? let's go back to health care. a lot of meetings with congressional leaders. a lot of back door meetings. that's what president obama did not do. he has the personal touch with lawmakers. bringing them in. he has done nothing public. no tweeting. no rallies. what does it say to you of the embrace of the bill? >> he said i want 100% embrace it. he has not responded to the criticism. he said we need to pay attention to if this plan doesn't pass, we will let obamacare stay in place and if it fails, we blame the democrats. whether the americ...