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Ago. to what do you attribute the rise? >> i think it's people understanding that when -- even when people are employed they are underemployed. their wages aren't helping them make what they need to make to cover the kitchen table issues. they're seeing that when they're employed they have to hold two or three jobs, particularly in a gig economy. the only reason a lot of people are able to afford insurance now is because of the obamacare open market which is being continuously gutted by the trump administration. i think people understanding all of that and looking back and saying -- looking at...

Liberals as well. the thing is people like success. and they see things happening, see things moving. and i think it's sort of an encouraging note that the president is trying something different. it seems to be working. >> what kind of message do you think you're going to be hearing looking at the way he's teeing it up today during the state of the union address? >> it's not that swing voters naturally have warm and fuzzy feelings toward business or big business. they know if business is doing well, there is more hiring. if business is not doing well, there's not f the democratic party, if th...